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Article: 13908 of comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: totally OT: terminal emulators
Date: 3 Dec 2002 14:40:07 -0500
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In article <b10654c6.0212031104.2c85501@posting.google.com>,
Chris Olive <colive@technologEase.com> wrote:
: ...
: (2) In the heyday of VMS, I always considered WRQ's Reflection the
: cadillac of commercial terminal emulators, esp. with its RCL
: scripting. It's emulation abilities and configuration settings
: were/are impeccable. (I stil have access to using it. Though I must
: say, I always thought they over-priced their product, fine as it is,
: and still do over-price it.)
:
: (3) Kermit (as has already been mention) had/has a huge grassroots
: following and was just as powerful, if not more, as Reflection esp. in
: scripting. It's emulation too I found to be impeccable. Kermit was
: great when file transfer protocols where still muchly used (XModem,
: YModem, ZModem, Kermit, etc.) I've not used Kermit in a very long
: time however, so I can't say anything more about it. (Though the
: people that wrote it obviously knew what they were doing -- I see FdC
: is here -- so I'm sure its a very fine product still.)
:
I hope so!
: (4) I use a freeware/shareware product called PuTTY. It's VERY nice,
: emulates very well, is very configurable, and handles SSH.
:
I agree PuTTY is nice, mainly for its simplicity, small size,
character-set support, and lack of any need for an installation process.
But for the record, Kermit does SSH too, as well as Kerberos IV and V and
SSL/TLS (newly supported in VMS, and more secure than SSH), plus lots of
other things that are not within PuTTY's scope. Plus Kermit has pretty
good tech support.
You can find a comparison here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/winsshclients.html
(Reflection was not included in this survey because it's not an SSH client.)
In the modern world, file transfer protocols like Kermit are not entirely
passe. If you already have a terminal connection (SSH, Telnet, SSL/TSL,
Rlogin) from Windows to a VMS host and you want to send a file from your
PC or get one from VMS to your PC, it's quite simple to type:
kermit -g filename <-- (to get a file from the PC to VMS)
or: kermit -s filename <-- (to send a file from VMS to the PC)
at the DCL prompt; everything else happens automatically, thanks to
advances such as "autodownload", "autoupload", automatic text/binary mode
switching, etc -- no complicated settings or contortions with Ctrl or Alt
keys needed. Try it sometime (it works the same in VMS C-Kermit when you
use it as your Telnet, Rlogin, or dialout client).
: Since I'm here, I wouldn't mind hearing someone, maybe even FdC,
: provide a tit-for-tat on Kermit versus PuTTY.
:
See chart referenced above. I actually like PuTTY, but it only does what
it's advertised to do, which is about 10% of what Kermit does, so if you
need any of the other stuff (see chart), and/or you like to have one
command and scripting language common to Windows, VMS, and Unix (not to
mention some other operating systems rapidly fading from memory, such as
AOS/VS and VOS), you might prefer Kermit 95:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
Meanwhile, I should post a separate announcement regarding the addition
of SSL/TLS to VMS C-Kermit, for the benefit of those who missed the
"by the way" announcements in this and other threads.
- Frank